Not generally being a fan of professional team sports, I was not familiar until recently with Jason Whitlock, who has become one of the most prominent black sports columnists in the United States. He writes for the Kansas City Star and AOL Sports. Considering the dearth of black people employed in professional journalism in this country this is quite an accomplishment, though Mr. Whitlock’s rise to prominence in the field of sports coverage, where his commentaries focus almost exclusively on black athletes, makes his “success” a little less surprising. It has long been common in the mainstream press for black voices that would otherwise be marginalized and ignored to be provided a prominent platform as long as they are saying what white people want to hear being said, especially about other black people.
Mr. Whitlock has built his career recently on his critiques of DBR behavior among black professional athletes, attacking Pro Basketball in particular for being too “gangsta,” “violent,” and “hip hop.” Mr. Whitlock was especially incensed by the this summer’s NBA All Star weekend in Las Vegas, which he compared to “the yard at a maximum security prison,” dominated by “the Black KKK,” that “Instead of wearing white robes and white hoods . . . has now taken to wearing white Ts and calling themselves gangsta rappers, gangbangers and posse members. Just like the White KKK of the 1940s and ‘50s, we fear them, keep our eyes lowered, shut our mouths and pray they don't bother us.” The recent murder of Washington Redskins player Sean Taylor has only increased the vociferousness of Mr. Whitlock’s attacks on this new “Black KKK.”
Considering his disdain for the vileness of DBR behavior and the violent degrading imagery common to so much of the music and culture that accompanies such behavior, I found Mr. Whitlock’s silence on the Dunbar Village incident absolutely deafening. It also surprised me to hear him defend Don Imus’ employment of that same degrading imagery and language to insult the Rutgers Women’s Basketball, stating simply that “A man who degrades himself wastes his time demanding respect from others.” I found this statement puzzling, since of course, the Rutgers Women are not men, and have done nothing to degrade themselves. Why then is it a “waste of their time” to demand respect? Mr. Whitlock insisted that “Imus isn’t the real bad guy,” and stated without an iota of proof that “I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy headed pimps and hos.”
Of course, this disconnect began to make sense when I learned that Mr. Whitlock had worked with, among other “gangsta rappers,” the 57th Street Rogue Dog Villains, and helped produce a Kansas City Chiefs theme song that’s performed by the very types Mr. Whitlock claims are ruining the black community. It also fit in neatly with his references to himself as “Big Sexy,” a “playa” who’s enjoyed the well-publicized hospitality of Hugh Hefner and the Girls Next Door—apparently, a white woman selling her ass deserves Mr. Whitlock’s grinning approbation, while a black woman scholar-athlete deserves to be freely insulted and scorned by any and all comers, regardless of how she conducts herself.
Mr. Whitlock is a perfect illustration of why DBRBM and the “new Black KKK” are not only to be found in white Ts, riding spinners. All too often, he is the self-described “educated brotha,” who “fears them, keep his eyes lowered, shut his mouths and prays they don't bother us” when confronted by thugs—but has plenty of courageous disdain for black women. He can snicker at other black men who “Bojangle” for a living, while he indulges in the ultimate minstrelsy: demeaning black women, leaving BW and children vulnerable and unprotected before predators, while he sits like a big black puppet mumbling a script for ESPN. Mr. Whitlock has nothing but contempt for “babymamas” but like any good “playa” there appears to be no Mrs. Whitlock on the horizon. Unlike Bill Cosby or Oprah, who have made similar complaints similar to Mr. Whitlock’s, he can point to nothing that he has offered those of our young people who are smart, hard-working, and committed to bettering themselves. Indeed, when a group of such young women were publicly attacked, he supported their attacker. He can attack DBRBM as cardboard cutout stereotypes that embody white fears, but he can’t get to the heart of the damage they inflict on the black community, because that might require that he look at men like himself, and the yawning void they have left in community, which the DBR have happily filled. Physician, heal thyself.
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He better not come to my blog because I don't believe in allowing my discussions to be high jacked by DBR Trolls! I would delete him in 2 seconds.
Oh, you practice censorship on your blog.
Absolutely!
My blog is about Black Women and thier betterment! I am completely unconcerned and uninterested in what black men think, want, and do. And I make no apologies about it. Black women are always putting themselves last and that has got to change!
I really wasn’t going to comment I saw how the ladies were holding there against anonymous and the like. Plus when the Imus situation occur a lot of us felt that he got that comment from his black co-host I felt like that’s a comment that could’ve come out a BM mouth over the years BM have made comments that only a racist would say about BW ex: Isaiah’s giving black men an ok to call black women a bitch but white men can’t” Anyway I get tried of reading anonymous responses because it the same negative stuff about black women again and again. As a young black women I am surrounded by negative people daily I don't need t o read this kind of stuff because it only depress me and makes me think about the future of black America. Before I used to read and comment on sites like blackvoices, bossip, and topix reading those site just made me mad and sad about how much shit black men were talking about black women while bragging that WW, HW, and AW are the greatest thing since slice bread and would waste my time arguing against those fools until I realize there mindset was not going change against BW. I gave up and search for more uplifting sites about black women now they are trying to clog these sites with nonsense in the pretense of debate. So I’m all for censorship on these blogs because believe me there are other site where they can “debate” all day long.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/news/regionalnews/isiahs_double_dribble.htm
If a BW Anon visited websites for BM just to agitate and disrupt, the attacks would be relentless...we would be called everything but a child of God.
On the Tire Black Man website, there is a host of black females who have, on more than one occasion, actually taken over threads. They are still urged to post there.
You may interpret opposing points of view as disruptive, but intelligent people welcome debate.
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Just out of curiosity, are you at tired bLack man defending BW or are you co-signing to their anti-BW rhetoric?
Also I would like for you to answer that sistas question regarding posting links to websites/blogs where you are actively defending BW, otherwise this conversation is moot. Its funny how you avoid such questions.
Ladies...you already know he is not at any other sites defending Black women because it is not OUR honor he is worried about defending. It is his own. So whenever a Black man is being attacked, whether he be the lowest, most vile scum of the earth or whether he really is a good man, he will be right there to defend the Black man's honor. But when it comes to Black women there is no such urge to do so, especially if she is being attacked by a fellow Black man because that means he would not only have to defend a person that is not himself but -gasp- he'd have to condemn the actions of another Black man to do so!
The selfishness of today's Black man makes this thought downright frightening.
The selfishness of today's Black man makes this thought downright frightening.
And that's exactly why today's Black woman needs to leave the vast majority of today's black males alone.
I don't see why any Black women would even want to be with what's often passing as "men" in the black BC today.
Seriously.
Black women for sure have some serious soul searching to do.
Because it's really strange to be this devoted to a population that has shown in word and deed that they are the least apt (statistically speaking) at actually being men.
That is behaving masculinely by being providers, protectors, doers, builders, defenders, fathers, etc..
Black women often voice the SAME identical complaints about many black males they've encountered. Both online AND offline.
It's tiring after a while.
At some point Black women have got to either put up (ONLY associate with, date, marry, and bare children by NON DBR men) OR shut up (stay focused on and beholden to DBRBM and accept their fate).
It's as simple as that. Instead of complaining start doing!
Doing for SELF by not having anything to do with anyone who displays DBR tendencies.
One reason why DBRBM continue to wreck havoc iis because they know most Black women will continue to put up with their sh*t.
Why? I do not know.
J said...
Ladies...you already know he is not at any other sites defending Black women because it is not OUR honor he is worried about defending. It is his own. So whenever a Black man is being attacked, whether he be the lowest, most vile scum of the earth or whether he really is a good man, he will be right there to defend the Black man's honor.
I wonder if this is true J. I seriously doubt if he is at Stormfront or any other sites where BM are demeaned and literally threatened day in and day out in the vilest and most degrading terms.
He says he is here to dispute "lies" about BM, but he has been unable to point out any "lie" or to factually dispute any lie as such. His real purpose appears to be simply to engage BW who are uninterested in engaging him. He seems enraged that we can discuss DBRBM in the same way we can discuss global warming or the subprime real estate crisis, without caring much about what DBRBM like him have to say on the issue.
He's likely confused that the threat of BM thinking we don't "love" them enough has failed to whip us into line. That threat is generally so potent when aimed at BW, that I'm sure he is befuddled by why we aren't intimidated by it. He's probably bothered too by the obvious intelligence and self-confidence of the women talking to each other here--no one has gotten upset, no one has resorted to name calling, they just brought facts and reason and kept it moving.
This is likely a different quality of BW than he is used to encountering at Blackvoices, Blackplanet, BET.com, etc., which only makes our ultimate disinterest in the DBRBM-type as anything more than a social phenomenon that much more unsettling.
Over on Topix, there was a thread discussing what annoys you about black women. A large number of us brothas came to black women's defense. Later on, a white woman made a similar topic about what annoys you about black men. The thread started out with nothing but trashing of black men until we got to this post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TO9SOLOGRQP32N164
"lets see if some black women defend us the same way i defended them in the thread about what annoys me about black women.
but i guarantee that doesn't happen."
As the thread went past a page, there were NO sistas defending the brothas. The first defense came from a white woman:
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TO9SOLOGRQP32N164/p2
"I am appalled that this thread has gone on this long and I can count on one hand the number of black women that came to black men's defense.
I started the thread that was opposite to this one and there were many black men that came to black women's defense.
If you are not going to stand by your man a white woman sure will like me and I know many others that will be glad to.
There are plenty of good black men out there that love there women and families they are not all gun toting, drug dealing, thugs. I know I have one and I treat him like the king he is because he treats me like a queen!
Unfortunantly the media's agenda is to portray black men as negatively as possible and truthfully yes some do fall in that category but so do other races of men.
So, where are all of you strong black women that were going off in the thread about black women. I guess that is what a lot of black men mean when they say BLACK WOMEN ARE SELFISH!"
Over on Topix, there was a thread discussing what annoys you about black women. A large number of us brothas came to black women's defense.
Speaking of defense. See who came to the defense of this black woman in Detroit.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071205/METRO/712050396
MOTHER SPEAKS OUT AFTER DAUGHTER PROTECTED HER FROM GUN-FIRE.
Girl, 7, shot 6 times saving mom
Norman Sinclair, Santiago Esparza and Jennifer Mrozowski / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- A 7-year-old-girl is being hailed as an "angel from heaven" and a hero for jumping in front of an enraged gunman, who pumped six bullets into the child as she used her body as a shield to save her mother's life.
Alexis Goggins, a first-grader at Campbell Elementary School, is in stable condition at Children's Hospital in Detroit recovering from gunshot wounds to the eye, left temple, chin, cheek, chest and right arm.
"She is an angel from heaven," said Aisha Ford, a family friend for 15 years who also was caught up in the evening of terror.
The girl's mother, Selietha Parker, 30, was shot in the left side of her head and her bicep by a former boyfriend, who police said was trying to kill Parker. The gunman was disarmed by police and arrested at the scene of the shooting, a Detroit gas station. Police identified him as Calvin Tillie, 29, A FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON whom Parker had dated for six months.
Parker, who was treated and released at Detroit Receiving Hospital, is now at her daughter's bedside. She declined to comment Tuesday.
The drama began to unfold just before midnight Saturday, when Parker called Ford and asked if she and Alexis could spend the night at Ford's home.
"She said she had no heat and they were very cold, and I said , sure I'll come and get you," Ford said.
Ford said she drove her burgundy 1998 Ford Expedition to Parker's home on Dwyer. She said as Parker and Alexis walked up to her vehicle she saw a man on the porch, who she assumed was a furnace repairman. She said Alexis, who walks with a limp, slipped momentarily on the icy sidewalk and as she helped the girl up, she saw the man and recognized him as Tillie. He was holding a gun.
Tillie ordered them into the vehicle, cursed at the women and angrily told Ford to drive him to Six Mile Road, she said.
"He looked like he was enraged and didn't care what he did. I knew if we went to Six Mile, he would kill us," Ford said. Instead, she told him she needed gas and drove to the Fast Stop Gas station in the 5000 block of East Seven Mile Road, a station that requires customers to pay the attendant inside.
"I figured if he got out to pump the gas, I was going to take off," Ford said.
Instead, Tillie gave her $10 and told her put in $5 worth of gas.
Ford said she dialed 911 on her cell phone as she walked into the station.
"The first operator clicked off and I dialed again and told that operator a guy with a gun was holding me hostage with a mother and baby and threatening to kill us. I told her the name of the gas station and then she said they didn't have a unit to send."
Ford said she paid for $5 of gas and slowly returned to the vehicle, stalling for time as she handed Tillie the change. She said she kept stopping and starting the pump, hoping the police would show up.
"I told him I needed more gas and took money out of my purse and went back into the station," she said. The attendant, Mohammad Alghazali, 30, said he noticed Ford was crying and she told him what was happening. He called 911 as he heard shots coming from the vehicle.
"It was very scary. She (Ford) was scared and screaming when the guy was shooting. I was scared, too. I was on the phone talking to the police when he started shooting," he said
Parker told police that Tillie said Ford was taking too long
She said she pleaded with him but he pointed the gun at her and shot her in the side of the head. She told police she was shot in the arm as she lunged at Tillie.
Before Tillie could fire again, Alexis jumped over the seat between her mother and the gunman and begged him not to shoot her mother.
The police report said Tillie "without hesitation" pumped six shots into the child.
As police arrived, they saw Parker, covered in blood, running from the truck, screaming, "He just shot my baby."
The officers said Tillie came out to the vehicle holding a blue steel 9 mm semi automatic and dropped the weapon when ordered to do so. Officers said they found Alexis huddled on the floor under the steering wheel, covered in blood, surrounded by spent cartridge casings, a spent bullet on the floor and teeth on the seat. There were bullet holes in the windshield and blood inside.
Alghazali said a police car on a street nearby arrived in less than a minute after his call.
Marvin Bodley, a Detroit Public Schools attendance agent, spent two days at Alexis' hospital bedside and said it's miraculous that she's alive.
"What a courageous, courageous little girl," he said. "You see more bandages than child," he said. "It's a horrific sight."
Bodley said Alexis receives special education services at school, in part because of a weak left eye, which is the result of a massive stroke she suffered as an infant.
Ford said doctors at the time had predicted that when Alexis got older she would have trouble with tasks such as writing, but she is now able to write her name.
"She is a good little girl who is very protective of her mother," said Tonya Colbert, Parker's cousin.
Tillie is being held in the Wayne County Jail facing kidnapping, assault with intent to murder, child abuse, felony firearms and habitual criminal charges.
A preliminary examination is scheduled for Dec. 13.
DON'T BE FOOLED SISTAS. "Brothas" are increasingly NOT coming to the defense of BW. Not in cyberspace OR real life. And many of ya'll already know that. If anything, many BW are increasingly needing protection FROM them.
ONLY date, and mate with the BEST, most sane, responsible, family oriented, and successful men.
Not only does your life depend on it, but also your defenseless children.
THIS INNOCENT CHILD LOST AN EYE AND IS STILL NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET. ALL FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Choose WISELY ladies. Choose WISELY.
Wow...anon bm just doesn't get it. MEN are supposed to defend and protect women....not the other way around.
Thank God I had a bm father who understood this and instilled in me to expect the same from ANY man I dated/married.
Anon's mindset is very scary. I'm finished trying to understand him.
pinky
"MEN are supposed to defend and protect women....not the other way around."
"Thank God I had a bm father who understood this and instilled in me to expect the same from ANY man I dated/married."
Right. I hear you pinky. My father was the same way.
Really, I find it a bit abnormal for a man to think differently. To in essence play the feminine roll. In need of protection and defense.
When throughout human history it's been the other way around. Men defending, providing for, and protecting women and children.
Without that you have instability and chaos.
It seems like in large segments of the black community, gender roles have been reversed to the point where many BM don't even realize what their natural role should be.
All I can say is Heaven help any woman of any "race" (and her children) who's with a man - or even contemplating being with a man - who doesn't realize that it's a part of his responsibility as a man to defend, love, and protect.
All I can say is Heaven help any woman of any "race" (and her children) who's with a man - or even contemplating being with a man - who doesn't realize that it's a part of his responsibility as a man to defend, love, and protect.
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Amen.
pinky
I wouldn't say that women should not do any defending of their men. It is natural (and necessary) to want to defend the man that provides and protects for you and your family to the best of your abilities. I don't think women should take that as their "responsibility" to do so though, because then she becomes more of a mother than a mate and the man begins to resent her for it because of his ego. The man should take it as his responsibility to do so for his woman though because society regards that as masculine behavior and it can only help his status. There has to be a balance between these two things, women protecting as their instinct calls it, and men protecting and defending as their responsibility. But looking at a situation like Black men's and Black women's presently, its obvious that the balance is just not right. 75% of Black babies being born in houses without fathers is a telling sign that Black women and children are NOT being protected by Black men and its sad. I really don't know how historically the community has allowed a huge bulk of the American Black man to become so selfish and short sighted.
Something thats ironic too, is that at the same time that Black men are demanding defense and unflinching protectionism from Black women, they are quick to call Black women domineering and unfeminine for those same reasons.
Spot on.
Everything you said J.
MEN are supposed to defend and protect women....not the other way around.
And women are supposed to submit to men.
AMEN!!!!!! FINALLY, another high profile bm (aside from Cosby) is talking sense and says in this article to other bm, "Dads matter, and it's ridiculous for us to act as if all it takes is a loving mom."
Well, DUH!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/11/roland.martin/index.html
And I guess it will take years for another black man with some sense AND some testicles to tell bm that their ROLE--surprise,surprise--is to protect and provide for women and children. And he, too, will go through a trial by fire just like Cosby. And this guy who wrote this article will probably catch hell too for saying THE OBVIOUS! SO elementary!!
^^ thank you for proving our point LOL
^^OOOPS that comment was dedicated to the sexist DBRBM who said that women should submit to men...
Something thats ironic too, is that at the same time that Black men are demanding defense and unflinching protectionism from Black women, they are quick to call Black women domineering and unfeminine for those same reasons.
So if a woman came up an slapped your husband and called him a pu**y, you would just stand there and say nothing? You see darling, that thread asked WOMEN how they felt about black men and a bunch of WOMEN, including non-black WOMEN (and one gay man), talked about brothas like dogs and no black women opposed them.
You see, I know for a fact that my wife would never allow some one to disrespect her man without responding. I would never allow her to fight, but I know that she wouldn't stand silently while some woman disrespects her husband.
She knows that if a man disrespects her, its time to stand back because I'm handling that, but being that I would never get very harsh nor at all physical with a woman, I know that she will feel that it is on her and I respect that.
Apparently you sorry women would let another woman do as she pleases to your man and just stand there looking dumb.
And speaking of protection, I can't count the number of times I have seen men disrespect and even abuse white men's ladies in front of them while they do little or nothing. On the other hand, I have never seen a brotha stand for the same thing. Dissing a brothas girl is life risking.
Here is an important quote from Evia's article:
We shouldn't shame our young girls who get pregnant, but surely it shouldn't be seen as a blue-ribbon day. Teenage black girls and black boys should be focused on picking colleges, not the names of babies. When a young girl wants a baby christened, her pastor should be asking to meet with the father as well, even if the two don't get along. We also should be telling black women not to lie down with any fool. A moment of pleasure could lead you to a lifetime of raising that child. Alone.
"And speaking of protection, I can't count the number of times I have seen men disrespect and even abuse white men's ladies in front of them while they do little or nothing."
And If you stood by while a woman was being abused in your presence - and did nothing - then that doesn't say much for you. In this era of cell phones, there's no excuse why you couldn't at least call 911 if you didn't want to get personally involved.
IF (and that's a BIG if) your claim is true to begin with.
"On the other hand, I have never seen a brotha stand for the same thing. Dissing a brothas girl is life risking."
And that hair-trigger temper that's unleashed at the slightest impression of being "dissed" is just what's leading to untold misery.
It is NOTHING to be proud of and only confirms the racist thoughts many people already have of black males.
Namely that the ya'll can't control your violent impulses.
http://www.vindy.com/content/
local_regional/321127488235631.php
Allen Pierce, also a YSU criminal justice professor, has studied homicides for the past 15 years. He said social scientists point to the proliferation of guns in the hands of immature people as part of the homicide problem.
Calling it a "kind of ignorance," he said immature people don't realize the consequences of shooting at someone. They don't necessarily intend to kill, just shoot.
As far as black-on-black crime, "they live by the guns and die by the guns," Pierce said. Whites will generally "flip the finger" and walk away, he said.
Pierce said his research found that many in the black community use deadly force if disrespect — being "dissed" — is perceived. Those in the black subculture of violence, he said, have to have a gun and respond with a gun.
"If you don't feel good about yourself, it's easy to put you down," he said of the disrespect motive. "Low self-esteem makes them vulnerable."
"We also should be telling black women not to lie down with any fool. A moment of pleasure could lead you to a lifetime of raising that child. Alone."
Yes, this is a quote from that article I posted. Yet when I advise bw not to lay down with DBRbm or even let that type of man get near them, I'm put on blast and roach trolls like this anon follow me around these IR blogs, write me nasty private notes calling me a hater of bm. LOL!!
We should all be warning these females about the presence of these predatory males in their environment!! ALL of us or at least all of us who have the best interests of these females as a priority should do it. Apparently, the vast majority of bm do NOT care about protecting black females from predators in the environment and thus they say and do nothing. I certainly don't hear them!
Anonymous said...
Jeez, whatever happened to having a preference
According to Evia, black men who have a preference for white, light, or non-black women are racist (she has said this). If that is true, wouldn't that be the same for black women who prefer white or other non-black men?
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Having a preference for other races isn't a problem unless you've got something negative to say about your own race as to WHY you prefer a non-black woman/man. For example, a BW who prefers dating non-black men because she feels that they're all dogs, selfish in the bedroom, mean, abusive, not romantic, etc.
Another example, a BM who prefers to date non-black women because of their attitudes, weight, appearance, materialism, sex drives (lack of...better word for it, adventurous) etc.
Those would be really be bad reasons that would give either a black man/woman validation to date other races. That ain't cool at all, yet some people so it everyday and hates it when they get a taste of their own medicine.
Evia never said that black mean are automatically racist about their preferences, but the very reasons behind it.
Evia never said that black mean are automatically racist about their preferences, but the very reasons behind it.
Exactly, Dottie. I don't really even much bother to rebut these trolls anymore because they know that what I'm saying is very different from what they're saying when they talk about their "preference" for white-skinned women. They're just trying to hide behind me, to hide this fetish of theirs, clean it up, justify it because they know how disgusting they are.
It's one thing to want to be with a quality person who might happen to be white and yet another to chase after or accept any kind of low-quality person simply because they are white. Lots of low quality ww these days know they can always get a bm of much higher caliber because so many bm consider themselves honored to be with ANY ww. My pal who runs the dating events place said that all the fat ww and other wm "rejects" KNOW they can get a bm.
Yet so many bm continue to deny that they discriminate against dark women like Kenya Moore because of her dark skin shade. Imagine that a bm has to look again at her as she said and be surprised that she's actually pretty. LOL!! The fact is that many of these DBRbm lovers of light-white skin just love the skin, and the skin only. They equate ANY white skin with quality and beauty yet are always foaming at the mouth about de evil wm. If a wm were to put on a wig and makeup and kinda, sorta look a lil bit female, many bm would be chasing after them too. I'm sure it's happened already. OMG, that would be so funny to see that!!!
On the other hand, you don't see sistas out there walking around with the dregs of wm unless they're substance abusers, etc. No matter how a typical sista might be accused of being color-struck, she will gravitate towards a wm who she feels is at her level or higher. She's not going to scrap the bottom of the barrel. Bw only do that with bm.
And is this fool crazy or what?
You are talking about how your wife would defend you -what the hell doe's that have to do with anything? We are not your wives! (LOL) The way your wife would react to someone disrespecting you has nothing to do with how women who do not even KNOW you would react. GROW UP! It is not a woman's job to defend you. and you want to call us sorry, Brother you better look at your boys before calling someone sorry! How can you even let those words come out of your mouth? Your 'boys' won't:
1.take care of their kids
2.be a productive members of the community
3.won't provide or protect anyone except their sorry asses
4.won't set the example for other young men to follow
5.Won't try to stay employed or out of jail or leave criminal actiivity alone etc.
EXACTLY WHAT ARE WE TO DEFEND????
LOL TELL IT Sara.
That fool is stone crazy.
It's a shame that you equate looks with quality. I'm sure all of those overweight and physically "ugly" women out there will feel good by Evia's notion that they are low quality because of physical characteristics they can't control.
On the other hand, you don't see sistas out there walking around with the dregs of wm unless they're substance abusers, etc.
That's bs and you cannot prove otherwise. The white men that black women date are typically the one's white women won't. Just a sweep of the images on your blog confirms this.
The white men that sistas date are no better looking the the white women that black men date. And dating someone goes beyond looks. Maybe the women are wonderful on the inside.
You are so shallow.
But dottie, this blog, Evia's blog, and all of the one's in this circle (except for Classical One's blog) all promote IR for that very reason; because of the notion that black men are so terrible. Thus you agree that Evia is a hypocrite.
Yes, this is a quote from that article I posted. Yet when I advise bw not to lay down with DBRbm or even let that type of man get near them, I'm put on blast and roach trolls like this anon follow me around these IR blogs, write me nasty private notes calling me a hater of bm. LOL!!
Nope. It is because you promote the idea that most black men are like this. Why don't you exclusively say "DBR men" instead of assigning a racial label to it as you do 90% of the time?
We know the answer. Check your "private notes" LOL.
Your 'boys' won't:
1.take care of their kids
2.be a productive members of the community
3.won't provide or protect anyone except their sorry asses
4.won't set the example for other young men to follow
5.Won't try to stay employed or out of jail or leave criminal actiivity alone etc.
EXACTLY WHAT ARE WE TO DEFEND????
The above is exactly who you do defend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N26-OfVf64
Brothas who are trying to be productive are treated like shi*. We are "weak" unlike your strong thugs and ganstas that you love so much.
Police identified him as Calvin Tillie, 29, A FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON whom Parker had dated for six months.
So, uhm, why was Parker dating a FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON?
Thug-love is dangerous.
"Police identified him as Calvin Tillie, 29, A FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON whom Parker had dated for six months.
So, uhm, why was Parker dating a FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON?
Thug-love is dangerous."
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More than likely because she believed the hype that she had NO OTHER OPTIONS...which is a lie.
Blogs like this one and others are trying to get the word out to bw that they DO have OPTIONS.
Ugh had to break my "I'm done rule."
pinky
It's a shame that you equate looks with quality.
It's a shame DBRBM (like yourself no doubt) equate looks and quality with whiteness.
I'm sure all of those overweight and physically "ugly" women out there will feel good by Evia's notion that they are low quality because of physical characteristics they can't control.
Those physically ugly WW feel good that SOMEONE wants them.
On the other hand, you don't see sistas out there walking around with the dregs of wm unless they're substance abusers, etc.
That's bs and you cannot prove otherwise.
It's the absolute truth and everyone knows it.
The white men that black women date are typically the one's white women won't. Just a sweep of the images on your blog confirms this.
LOL This DBR black boy (or is it a DBR ugly WW?) is laughable. Ranting, (and lying to make him/herself feel better) yet he/she/it CAN'T stop trolling Evia's site to view the pics. Can't stop trolling this site, or any of the other BW/WM IR sites.
How incredibly sad that some poor black woman (or white woman?) calls this sorry addicted troll their son/daughter. What a disappointment and an embarrassment.
The white men that sistas date are no better looking the the white women that black men date. And dating someone goes beyond looks.
Dating someone does indeed go beyond looks AND color. But white/light-skin fetishistic DBR BM wouldn't know about that.
Maybe the women are wonderful on the inside.
No more wonderful than the BW that BM increasingly shun (and hate) for NO other reason then the fact that they ARE black.
You are so shallow.
On the contrary, some people are so TRUTHFUL.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22131872/
NEW YORK - A video showing a male being assaulted by a half dozen [black] teenage girls has been released on the Court TV-owned Smoking Gun Web site. The Web site said the 4-minute, 18-second clip was shot on the A train as it traveled in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, late one night last month. The Smoking Gun reported Kadejra Holmes, a high school student who denied any involvement in the assault, uploaded the video onto YouTube Nov. 7. The video, which Smoking Gun said was titled, "jump up to get beat down," has since been removed from the video-sharing network.
The victim, who appeared to be at least 10 to 20 years older than the girls, seemed to be riding alone in the subway.
The man does not appear to take the girls seriously when the video began. In fact, as one girl began to scream at him, he appeared to mock her.
Minutes into the clip, the camera turned to a pair of young girls sitting diagonally across from the male and asked, "Do you have anything to say?" Both, with smiles painted across their faces, said, "No."
As other trains roared past the car, the situation intensified, although there appeared to be at least a number of other passengers in the car, no one appeared to do anything to try to diffuse the escalating conflict.
Within two minutes of the video's start, tensions were rising. As young women began to surround the man, the girl who first confronted the young man started to yell.
"You're screaming at me, I don't appreciate screaming," she said as she waved her hands inches from his face. "Maybe I don't want to sit down. Maybe I don't want to sit down. I want to stand up and look at you."
The man pleaded with the girls to back off.
"Why are you arguing?" he asked. "Please stop."
Within a minute, a bottle is seen being swung close to his face as someone jumps onto his bench seat.
"Do you want to get up?" one girl screamed seemingly at the male. "Do you want to get up?"
As he attempted to stand, he appeared frightened.
"Stop," he begged. "Stop."
As he rose, yet another girl closed in on him.
"Alright," she ordered. "Just shut up, mister!"
Three minutes, 56 seconds into the clip, the situation took a dramatic downturn.
"You don't [expletive] with nobody," she screamed at the male as he tried to stand up again but was pushed back down. "Sit your [expletive] over there."
As tensions reached a boil, nobody sitting nearby did anything.
"Ooh," the girls begin to hiss. "Ooh!"
Within seconds, the girls begin to physically assault his face and body.
Visibly frightened, he attempts to rise to his feet to get away, but instead fell to the floor and appeared to suffer punches over his entire body.
Within 10 seconds of the first punch, a girl proclaims, "I?m going to beat you so much!"
The clip ended with the victim in a fetal position on the subway floor.
To see the video, click here.
*sigh* These are the marriage options our future men will have.
"Brothas who are trying to be productive are treated like shi*. We are "weak" unlike your strong thugs and ganstas that you love so much."
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Women here are most assuredly NOT loving thugs. Did you not understand The New KKK article ?
Please seek help.
pinky
*sigh* Get off it anon @ 10:34 AM.
Everyone knows your future men (I wouldn't claim most of them to save my life) are statistically speaking the LEAST likely to marry ANY women. Be they Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic.
SCORES of fatherless black and biracial children could tell you that.
Did you not understand The New KKK article ?
Can you point out specifically in his article where it refers to who bw love and date?
Did you not understand The New KKK article ?
Can you point out specifically in his article where it refers to who bw love and date?
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What on earth are you talking about ? You are on this site of all places talking about bw who love thugs; I asserted that this would be the last place "thug love" would be. Follow me....the article is speaking of the DBR mentality we speak of here.
Please seek help.
pinky
I asserted that this would be the last place "thug love" would be.
Yet these discussion refer to the general population which this site doesn't represent. So what was the point?
But dottie, this blog, Evia's blog, and all of the one's in this circle (except for Classical One's blog) all promote IR for that very reason; because of the notion that black men are so terrible. Thus you agree that Evia is a hypocrite.
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thank you for finally admitting that you troll IR blogs!!!
"I asserted that this would be the last place "thug love" would be.
Yet these discussion refer to the general population which this site doesn't represent. So what was the point?"
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Please seek help.
pinky
Women here are most assuredly NOT loving thugs. Did you not understand The New KKK article ?
Please seek help.
pinky
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Some people's brains can't register and comprehend information very well.
Like another sistah said every [weak] arguement he has come up with is just a step above "I know you are but what am I?"
Know its "black women here like thugs" I bet he cant post ONE blog or ONE comment where a BW here on "BLACK GIRLS HAVEN" has made such a claim!
This DBR anon has the weakest arguments ever!! "the black women here like thugs" HAHAHAHAHAHA
I hope you're not over 30 yrs old with this type of reasoning "skills"
Ladies i think we're debating with someone who is mildy retarded =/
Nope. It is because you promote the idea that most black men are like this. Why don't you exclusively say "DBR men" instead of assigning a racial label to it as you do 90% of the time?
This is nothing more than an attempt to try to shield DBRbm as the actual predators in a typical black community in the vast majority of cases. You're trying to put their mask back on so that bw will not know or be confused about who is doing them in. Black men ARE the DBRs there because there aren't many other types of men there!! Notice that I didn't say that most AA men everywhere are DBRbm.
It's Black men/males who are impregnating black females in MOST cases in these 70% oow births and leaving the women to fend for the children alone. In 2007, no one FORCES these guys to leave their children.
Why are so many bfs receptive to these DBRbm? Many of those black females are still being TAUGHT to lower their guard with "our" men and to give "our" men a chance, to support "our" men, etc. In general, those females are NOT taught to be wary of "our" men. So naturally those females are very receptive to "our" men. Most females in most cultures are taught to be much more receptive to "their" men, but the MEN in those other cultures or communities PROTECT the females from predatory men. It's the MEN who set up ways to prevent the sexually opportunistic males from going around impregnating women and then throwing the women and children away. AA men, as a group, don't protect AA women and children yet they still want the same respect and other demeanors from black women that other men expect from their women. This is not going to happen! LOL! The door must swing BOTH ways. These men must earn respect!!
Instead of holding bm accountable, you and so many others like you keep pointing the finger at bw. Now you can bet money on this. Intelligent bw are NOT going to listen to your garbage. I'm not telling these sistas how to think. I learn from other bw; they learn from me. The women who read these blogs are all intelligent women. But men like you think that if you can just shut up or discredit the Evias, you can keep the other women under control forever because you don't have respect for bw's brainpower. LOL!! Truth will come out!
I know you don't realize this, but the more you talk, the more damage you're doing to bm because you're SHOWING the damage. You're doing more damage to yourself and other bm than I could ever do. People may suspect something's wrong with you, but when you write all of this tripe that you've written, then they know for certain!
So, for anyone else out there who doesn't get it or wants to pretend they don't get it, this is why I say DBRbm instead of DBRanyman. I want any female in the black community (where a huge portion of AAs still live) to KNOW very clearly where the attack, use, abuse, shortchanging, etc. is MOST likely to come from.
So why should I mince words? These women and children need to be warned!!
I have never said that ALL bm are DBRbm. All bm are NOT predators. Some bm are wonderful men in all respects, just not enough of them, as I've often said. I have some AA male cousins who are the epitome of what EFFECTIVE men are supposed to be, but I also have other AA male cousins who are DBRbm.
I have never counted what portion of black men are DBRs, and I've NEVER said that I have. Increasingly even more bm are finding the courage to point out the havoc that DBRbm are wreaking on these black communities and we all know that it's WAY more than a few. Now if the anon's point is that it's just a small percentage of them who are doing it, then what kind of men are the rest of bm to allow this "smaller?" number of predatorial males to prey on bw and children?!!
This is NOT what "standup" effective men do. Instead, they protect women and children. Most women are ALWAYS going to gravitate towards men who show that they can and will protect them and their children. If you call yourself a man and you're not SHOWING that you're performing that role, or at least trying to do it, then you're not an EFFECTIVE man, for all practical purposes, and women are NOT going to respect you or want to be with you. Other groups of men are NOT going to respect you either. I hope you do realize that one type of DBRbm is a black man who is NOT an effective or "standup" man. He is not assertive/aggressive enough when he needs to be. Yet, you were talking about how you're willing to kick butt if a man disses your woman. LOL!! That's juvenile behavior!!
Lawdy!! I'm happy that some sistas here are laying down the stats on this problem, but I KNOW that no matter how many stats are presented, folks like this anon troll will deny them or try to minimize them and still blame bw for the problem. Bw do share the blame for some of this by not listening to good advice, but we can't protect ourselves and our daughters and other female loved ones from these males. The bottom line is that black females are under siege and need and want protection!!
And to the troll: about those private notes, yes, I know that you're one of the main roach trolls who crawls all around to all of these IR blogs to attack me. I can clearly recognize you from your droppings! You're obssessed with me and this is why I knew it wouldn't be long before you came to this open bf-nonbm blog to start calling my name. As I said, you're so predictable.
What on earth are you talking about ? You are on this site of all places talking about bw who love thugs; I asserted that this would be the last place "thug love" would be.
Dispite what your illiterate friends say, no one made any reference to anyone on this site loving thugs. Please quote where that was stated.
It's interesting that this site discusses trends within the general population yet when the trend of black women hooking up with thugs comes in, we are only supposed to discuss the alleged trends of the commenters on this blog?
Then you asked whether I read the article on the black KKK as if their is something in that article that makes some verification as to whether black women here or anywhere love thugs. I didn't see any such discussion in the article. So why did you bring it up in that context. Could it be that you were simply reaching blindly for something. I think so.
One thing to note. When Evia accused black men of racism, she was referring to black men who prefer light skinned black women. Thus, the alleged reasons black men give for dating white women don't apply here since light skinned black women are looked upon as black women and share the same stereotypes.
When someone asked if the same applied to men who preferred dark skinned women, she said no because it makes more sense to prefer those physical traits most associated with your own race.
But Evia gives a thumbs up to black women who are physically more attracted to white men. Are they not showing preference for traits less associated with their race?
So Evia, can you please explain the double standard?
Lawdy!! I'm happy that some sistas here are laying down the stats on this problem, but I KNOW that no matter how many stats are presented, folks like this anon troll will deny them or try to minimize them and still blame bw for the problem.
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That's so true, im glad I stopped dealing with primitive thinking people.
"Dispite what your illiterate friends say, no one made any reference to anyone on this site loving thugs. Please quote where that was stated."
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"Brothas who are trying to be productive are treated like shi*. We are "weak" unlike your strong thugs and ganstas that you love so much."
I believe anon brought up thugs. What "you" were you referring to--if not the women on this site ?
Please advise.
Also, please use spell check if you are going to accuse others of being illiterate.
Please seek help.
pinky
You=black women as a group, not any individual person or group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_%28language_use%29
You=black women as a group, not any individual person or group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_%28language_use%29
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Please seek help.
pinky
This is post on another blog is a common sentiment of black women. Key on the parts in bold:
http://2guys2cities.blogspot.com/2005/03/hot-topic-thug-or-gentleman.html
Give me a break, who are you to say who women should want. So are you suggesting that as women get older they should "settle down" and get with someone boring and safe. I could probably write an entire dissertation on this subject however I will try to simply respond to your question. I myself am extremely attracted to guys that are rough around the edges. It brings a level of excitement to the relationship. They offer sex appeal and confidence that your safe Wall Street professional could never give you. That confidence will make an unattractive guy look good. Jay-Z anyone? They have a swagger to their walk, they can give you a look that makes you want to run to bed with them, and they can open up a show you a soft side when they only show the world rough edges. That is sexy! I am sure any ladies reading this will know exactly what I am talking about. In fact I am sure they can come up with at least one person who fits that description. In addition, I want a man who can protect me and keep me safe therefore I am not looking for a mama's boy or someone who will be afraid of getting dirty. It seems that with education comes a certain level of helplessness. Don't get me wrong as an educated woman I want someone that I can have a conversation with, but at the same time if I am having a problem with my car I need him to at least have some idea of what the heck is going on. I need him to be able to change a tire and not simply call AAA. It is such a turn off to know more about cars, or sports than a man. Although women portray the strong, educated, independent facade we truly want to have traditional relationships where the man is...just that A MAN, not a MOUSE. There are some women who will just settle for any man with a heartbeat however most of us have choices and require a little more from men. I want to feel safe; therefore I need to know that if something went down and my man had to fight, he would not run away. Better than that, if he had to fight he would actually have a chance at winning. You must understand with the strong, independent and confidence that women have gained over the years has allowed us to feel that we can do anything we put our minds to. Therefore if a man is rough around the edges, we feel we can fix him. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. As you can see I can go on and on about this subject. Instead of asking why women like "thugs", you should ask yourself what do they have that you don’t? Are they more confident, are they more adventurous, are they sexier, do they offer a greater sense of safety? It's theses qualities that women are after. Don't get caught up in the hype thinking that women want the traditional professional; we can do that on our own. For those who can't do that on their own, they are looking for the professional. Give women what they want, or change the type of women you want.
"It seems that with education comes a certain level of helplessness. Don't get me wrong as an educated woman I want someone that I can have a conversation with, but at the same time if I am having a problem with my car I need him to at least have some idea of what the heck is going on."
I've experienced this type of ignorance for most of my youth.
Anonymous said...
But dottie, this blog, Evia's blog, and all of the one's in this circle (except for Classical One's blog) all promote IR for that very reason; because of the notion that black men are so terrible. Thus you agree that Evia is a hypocrite.
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No, I don't. What I explained earlier applies to both men and women. As a matter of fact, how about you show some me some actual quotes, stating that she hates all black men or that labels them ALL DBR? The DBR standard ONLY applies to BOTH MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL COLORS who diss their own...you know what, I mentioned it earlier. I don't need to repeat myself.
One thing to note. When Evia accused black men of racism, she was referring to black men who prefer light skinned black women. Thus, the alleged reasons black men give for dating white women don't apply here since light skinned black women are looked upon as black women and share the same stereotypes.
When someone asked if the same applied to men who preferred dark skinned women, she said no because it makes more sense to prefer those physical traits most associated with your own race.
But Evia gives a thumbs up to black women who are physically more attracted to white men.
Are they not showing preference for traits less associated with their race?
So Evia, can you please explain the double standard?
Hmmm, the roach troll again? Lying on me AGAIN--misquoting, ommissions, dimwitted interpretations, reading comprehension problems, all to try to clean up or cover up that you and your ilk discriminate against dark skinned black women but will eat the crap of a light skinned, mixed or white skinned woman.
All you're doing is just trying to find some kind of way of excusing or justifying your racism against dark bw.
I hope bw are reading this and putting 2 and 2 together because so many of those dark skinned sistas bail y'all racist bm out of all kinds of tight spots and have no idea that y'all will discriminate against them just like a racist white person.
YOU are a member of the new KKK. Go and put your sheet on! It's great that Aimee did this blog to flush you and your lame arguments out.
I've already written a blog about the difference in this preference thing, but you'll have to pay to see it because the bulk of it will be in my GenII blog when I post it. LOL! I don't care whether you read it or not. You ain't nobody to me!!
I remember now that you were furious that I turned off the comments on my EZINE. LOL!!
Go and work at getting over your obssession with EVIA EVIA EVIA!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
Over and out of this thread for good.
arthur said...
Allow me to cosign everyone who has complained about all the 'anonymous' posters. Trying to follow a conversation including 5 or 6 posters all named 'anonymous' is really confusing.
Is there any way to get people to at least pick a nickname? Just asking.
I agree; it's too hard to follow a discussion where 50-11 people are all posting as "Anonymous," or are trying to claim that they didn't say something they did. If there was a way to limit posting to those with either Google accounts or Nicknames I would, because, it would make discussions much easier to follow without forcing anyone to sign up for an account just to say what they want to say.
Since that isn't possible, what I'll do instead is ask posters from here on in to post under their Google account or a nickname of their choosing. If anyone chooses instead to just continue trolling anonymously, then they will be deleted, because there is no reason for it--they can say whatever they want short of attacking someone or being profane as long as they attach a name to the sentiment.
Considering his disdain for the vileness of DBR behavior and the violent degrading imagery common to so much of the music and culture that accompanies such behavior, I found Mr. Whitlock’s silence on the Dunbar Village incident absolutely deafening.
Well did you find his silence on the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom "absolutely deafening"? My God, you don't think that the Dunbar Village incident falls under the disdain that he is expressing?
Understand that the man is a sports writer. Each of the incidents he writes about involves sports. The NBA allstar game, the Rutgers basketball team, and the murder of an NFL player. Dunbar Village didn't involve any world class athletes. I'm sure that if Marion Jones was attacked by black thugs, he would have included that.
It also surprised me to hear him defend Don Imus’ employment of that same degrading imagery and language to insult the Rutgers Women’s Basketball,
This is so incorrect. He did not defend what Imus said and you know this. He expressed that it simply was not worth the uproar and that there are loads of other things much more worthy of this uproar, such as the vile imagery common in modern hip hop, the black on black violence, ghetto mentality, etc.
stating simply that “A man who degrades himself wastes his time demanding respect from others.” I found this statement puzzling, since of course, the Rutgers Women are not men, and have done nothing to degrade themselves. Why then is it a “waste of their time” to demand respect?
He was not stating that they degraded themselves nor was he calling them men. It was an analogy meant to represent the commond trend in the black community to demand respect from others while black people overwhelmingly disrespect each other. If black people in general disrespect each other, then it is pointless to demand respect from non-blacks.
Mr. Whitlock insisted that “Imus isn’t the real bad guy,” and stated without an iota of proof that “I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy headed pimps and hos.”
He didn't make a statement of fact. He is speculating and based on the overwhelming popularity of mainstream hip hip among black males and females their age, it is highly probable that at least one of those black players has and/or continues to dance and be entertained by that music.
while a black woman scholar-athlete deserves to be freely insulted and scorned by any and all comers, regardless of how she conducts herself.
Again, he never says anything of the sort. He says the exact opposite. What he says is that it was not worth the bruha. Imus is not that important. He's a silly shock jock who was trying to be cute by using language that black people use routinely. What black folks should be concentrating making a bruha over is the self destructive behavior within our own communities. Once we eliminate that behavior, then maybe we will have time to worry about what the Don Imuses of the world say.
As far as Whitlock's personal life, common, are we going to nitpick over the imperfections of every black person who criticizes black America? This is just like people using Bill Cosby's alleged sexual assaults to discredit what he has to say. If we are waiting for perfect people to tell us anything, we will be waiting for a long time and we might as well close the book on anything Dr. King ever said.
YOU ARE 100% RIGHT. And, I bet the other ESPN sports castors just sat and laugh at what J. Whitlock was saying...what a f------ hypocrite.
Ann
I can see that the BM losers are still coming here to cry like babies and put BW down. Please stick to your White women. Thug or nerd, you are all a bunch of weak cowards, and those equally weak White woman are happy to have you. None of you are worthy of a BW!
I can see that the BW losers are still coming here to cry like babies and put BM down. Please stick to your White men. Hoochie or nerd, you are all a bunch of weak cowards, and those equally weak White men are happy to have you. None of you are worthy of a BM!
You stupid idiot, you are so intelligent that you had to copy me eh? Just what I would expect from the likes of you. Anyway, the stats speak for themselves. Compare BW to BM, then compare WM to WW, and anybody with half a brain (Which excludes you obviously) can clearly see that the strong ones are BW & WM.
You are either a loser BM or a weak WW, and what you say is garbage, as that is all you both know how to talk. It is like I keep saying, you deserve each other.
Compare BW to BM, then compare WM to WW, and anybody with half a brain (Which excludes you obviously) can clearly see that the strong ones are BW & WM.
You are right. Only a person with half a brain or less (like yourself obviously) will see this. Those of us with whole brains can see the ignorance of your statement. True comparisons, based on your simplistic criteria, would indicate that WM and WW are the strong ones.
You are either a loser BM or a weak WW, and what you say is garbage, as that is all you both know how to talk. It is like I keep saying, you deserve each other.
I don't think that any man of any race deserves you (a fate worse than death). This is why you are alone LOL.
Always remember that there are many female members of the New KKK. Imagine the trauma of their male victims.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2201154
Hey stupid anon whio can only imitate me, let me assure you that I am NOT alone. Far from it stupid.
You are half-right jerk. WM are strong, but WW are weak pieces of nothing. BW are the strong females, the real females. And you are just a weak loser BM, a pathtic WM (Not worthy of that title for sure) fool who stll is fooled by those fake, lying WW who cheat on you with BM, or a jealous, weak, stupid, loser WW. Go away, I think your BM baby daddy who you support and who gave you those kids who he does not take care of is calling you.
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